64MP or 108MP doesn’t matter! Focus on image quality instead of cramming megapixels or 5 cameras.
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That’s the same pixel size as IMX586 right? So it should perform very similar I guess.
Pixel binning makes a big difference, having more pixels to capture light and composite into a lower resolution image should improve image quality.
You can try the one for MI9t or ukiller xml, one of those 4-5 should work for sure! & not to worry as you can change the xml anytime without any risk to cam,data etc
So then in any case, he should wait for the pictures?
I wish they’ll have 9 to 1 pixel binning mode for ultra low-light. That’d make it 12MP photo with pixel size of 2.4 micron right?
Nice article Thanks for sharing
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/drgj5h/ice_universe_on_twitter_the_galaxy_s11_has_a_high/
Yep.
Honestly I’m totally fine with the way my mi9t pro has been, without gcam
Is very difficult to find a real camera with 64mp. Just because is nonsense… More that 40 MP is rare on profissional cameras.
40 mp are enough
I mean it seems from a lot of tests that i’ve seen, that there are benefits to higher Megapixel counts too when it’s using Pixel Binning, very clear shots that look better zoomed in for an example than their 12mp counterparts.
And I for sure wish that Xiaomi and the likes of them would work more on computational photography and they probably will eventually, but until they’ve got that down, if they increase megapixel count which still produces a good, clear image, i’m not complaining. Seeing progression in hardware as well as software is nice, doesn’t have to be one or the other.
Did Samsung or Xiaomi said about pixels size when combined into 27MP?
I know that sensor like IMX586 from Sony combined 4 pixels with 0.8 micron each into 1 pixel which size 1.6 micron. I never seen that mentioned from Xiaomi though.
If you want to know even more: https://vas3k.com/blog/computational_photography/
Will it work with the non pro?
What do man apLeL and pixhell price make me nut and benis tremble in fear… Beside I dont give a fuck bout camera…for me the only thing that is important is battery life… BATTERY LIFE… Coz I like to play games on me phone they can Shove ULTRAPIXELS MICRO WIDE 2000mp camera in my phone for me shits is just an icing on the cakes…
Tl; dr fuck camera mega pixels gimme battery that can last for a week…
Right, I am sure there is a reason for this, the wide angle in such a slim device seems to always require a small sensor. I’m thinking a lens that curved must require a lot secondary lenses to flatten and to remain sharp with a large enough aperture they must have to use a tiny sensor.
It’s a nice hardware thing to have, but with Xiaomi’s photo software there isn’t much to go crazy about
Most manufacturers do this. I don’t know why.
Eeh, i’d prefer better image quality than UX and stability though.
You want a perfect working software? Apple has the answer for you.
It isn’t because it’s a port but time will come when it will be as close to first party as it can and when that time comes you’ll *wish* you had the hardware to take advantage of such a software. Point is even without GCam, even the most perfect first party software won’t mean anything if we don’t have the hardware to take advantage of. Think about it this way, would you rather use a Linux distro on a Pentium 4 or Windows on a Ryzen 7 3600x knowing Linux would be more stable than Windows?
EDIT: I love how people who disagree with this just downvote when they don’t even have an argument against it LMAO.
Absolutely ridiculous making 5 lenses with only 1 good sensor.
Arithmetically speaking you’re right but I doubt about the possibility of it, there must be some hardware limitations for that. Quad Bayer filter cell contains only 4 pixels. HTC’s ultrapixels sucked for that reason, they fully ignored hardware details. I guess Sony is working on something different from Quad Bayer to introduce to the market later.
you would be right if the sensors are the same size. but no, the 108mp sensor is bigger than even the huawei 40mp ones.
Tell that to Xiaomi 😂
Or ju focus on both
/s
FTFY.
These tech edgies are so edgy, joined the big resolution hate bandwagon, yet there’s no modern smartphones other than Xiaomi (and Samsung in the next year probably) ever have a 1/1.33″, and it still have OIS, crammed under 1cm thick.
Pixel has the best computational photography processing in the smartphone world, yes we get it. But it’s time to upgrade that tiny 1/2.55″ camera.
>Only works if the image computation is better
Just in case you didn’t know, GCam regularly gets ported to Xiaomi phones. So would you rather have a shitty sensor and small sensor when GCam gets ported? I, for one, would rather have the hardware at the ready since software literally can be developed later on but the hardware will forever be like that in the lifetime of the phone.
While I still believe the mp escalation is just a sales pitch, I really agree with you on the OIS, this it the real deal with this sensor
It’s still fun as a bragging right. It’s nice to make fun of my friends for only having 48 mega pickles ^(/s)
…That’s what she said
>You want a perfect working software? Apple has the answer for you.
Nice joke. iOS 13 is a buggy mess.
Several real camera systems have reached the limit for megapixels cramped in a sensor. A m4/3 system is capped around 20mp, with a sensor 4x bigger that a mobile phone uses.
So… Anything more them 12-16 MP is a waste on mobile phones. Just for mkt.
The ia behind these sensors is that really works for mobile camera evolutions. Like the fake boketh from 2017/2018 single lens phones.
New 108 mp is worthless , I’m 99% sure that Google pixel 2 would take better photos than the “new” mi note 10
I think it’s a sales pitch thing. And most people compare profile cameras, so you have to fight on that ground, rather than with a ultra wide vs a profile picture camera. It’s a losing battle so to speak.
But it is honestly, the camera setup you’d want.
That’s kinda miss opportunity from them though. I think it’d be better to pixel binning 9 pixels together for really good lowlights 12MP photo.
Yes but you’re never going to use 108MP images.
Where 48MP sensors are pixel binned in 2×2 down to 12MP, a 108MP sensor can be binned in 3×3 down to 12 as well.
So Quad-Bayer doesn’t exactly the same as what Nokia have done in 808 Pureview right?
This. And it’s not like Xiaomi doesn’t focus on software too. Why would they bought Meitu anyway if they don’t care.
If this is true then it means this sensor will gonna be real good.
that’s a good and interesting point!
Yes. But not necessarily similar. Even 48mp phones show vastly different results sometimes, if we compare them.
But at some point, even pebs will realize that it’s clear they are getting fooled. I mean look at this 108mp sensor, it will definitely create disbelief because it’s just so over the top, nobody will buy into this.
the new sensor has the same pixel size. binned 1.6 um 27mp / 0.8 um 108mp
Why is in article 750 euros phone compared to one that is 200 euros?
I mean same argument vice-versa if you compare a P30 Pro with a Samsung J5, that megapixels actually count.
I mean this article is shitty just like most of people too taking a side without much thinking, uses a one clear advantage to mock the other technology (or whatever).
Both are important, some manufacturers focus on one, while others focus on another.
FYI 108MP sensor should actually bring significant image quality improvements as it’s quite big. It will work as 27MP anyway.
I’ve used and been using GCam for quite a while (I used to have a OP6T and I switched to a Mi 9T Pro) and GCam isn’t really a seamless experience, there’s always this and there that isn’t working perfectly, as it’s still a community developed thing. I’m tired of all of this so I ended up going back to regular shooter.
I’d rather have a perfectly working first party software
Ain’t paying 800$ for a trash looking phone with okayish specs just to have great camera software. I never said i wasn’t satisfied with my phone
Just like the digital camera market 15years ago, history is repeating again.
Oh cmon 108MP is probably one of the funniest gimmicks out there…
Lets just say 64mp is 16mp, 108mp is 27mp. Just take pictures with those resolution. 64 and 108 mps are just still bad on mobile devices
I kinda figured that people just like seeing numbers go higher, and trying to educate them doesn’t really work.
Plebs gonna pleb.
If you put it side by side, 108 does look better. Quality does get affected by increasing of the MP. Adding all those cameras dramatically improves the quality, with the telephoto it makes zoom look way way better at 2x and 5x, instead of getting blurry. The macro is actually amazing as well as the wide-angle. They did BOTH, their revolutionizing the technology first and coming back to improve the already magnificent software. Why would you develop software for hardware that isn’t even there? They made a good choice.
Not possible on the same hardware.
Quad-Bayer array has the same color filter for squares of 2×2 pixels, thus:
RRGG
RRGG
GGBB
GGBB
They (Samsung) could have produced a different filter array (say 3×3), but it’s impossible to switch between 27 and 12 MP other than via (sub-optimal) interpolation.
If it were pixel-binning on a standard Bayer pattern, like this:
RGRGRGRG
GBGBGBGB etc.
then it would have been easier, but then you can’t do on-sensor HDR.
How large is the pixel size from this 108MP when combined into 27MP?
Only works if the image computation is better, so exactly what OP is asking for.
Great sensor is good but if the software is bad it won’t make the picture great.
> Xiaomi are increases the size of the image sensor though so this should produce better images and more light in low light conditions
Unfortunately the pixel size is still 0.8um and the pixel combining trick doesn’t work as well as normal sensors with a larger pixel size. Reviews haves shown that the RN7 has less detail compared to older phones even if the megapixel count is higher.
You shoulda gotten the Energizer phone last year instead of complain here because a massive international company doesn’t cater to your niche requirements
[here you go!](https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/changelog661/)
For configs – scroll down to k20Pro & download the one titled “Stable k20Pro”
To load the xml file click between the shutter & image preview button on right which will open the menu to select & load
At the moment only main lens is working stable, triple lens stable mod coming soon likely to be more compatible with stable miui11 Android 10 releasing next week for this device.
Try taking photos of any same thing & notice the quality difference – team is just too good!
Exactly !
But still these large MP number is great for marketing 🙂 …
> a 108MP sensor can be binned in 3×3 down to 12 as well.
OMG is this confirmed?
This thing combined with good algorithm could be a beast in night time photography if true.
the sensor has potential, we’ll see what samsung can do with it if the s11 rumours are true.
Im maybe mistaken but these high megapixel cameras are made to do pixel binning and they can’t actually create 100 megapixel photos, they just cram all those pixels for marketing purposes, so if they have a 48/64/100 megapixel mode its probably just an upscaled regular picture.
profile camera = main camera?
What rumors?
>Pureview
Correct, Pureview had a sensor with an “usual” Bayer array.
Yeah, actually out of 4 pixels that are to be binned into 1, two pixels are used for a long exposure and two others are utilized for a short exposure. The resulting image can have better dynamic range without the need to lengthen the capture time. Another advantage of this technique is that HDR photos of relatively fast moving objects are less blurry due to shorter exposure time.
> very clear shots that look better zoomed in for an example than their 12mp counterparts.
This is exactly what Nokia have done when they come up with 808 pureview. I swear that phone could still beat many phone released in 2019.
This is true 😂
As iPhone and iPad user I can confirm this.
This is stupid. I would rather a high resolution camera that software can then optimise to a lower resolution. Not being able to crop 12mp pixel photos is a huge disadvantage no matter how they look
Everyone who owned a Sony device in recent years knows that 😀
Gcam with xml file customised for k20pro works beautifully man!
So Pixel binning 48 MP sensor to 12 MP photos provide more dynamic range than normal 12MP sensor at the same sensor size?
Thata why apple havent upgraded from 12mp
note – it’s not the just the amount of MP that changed, theres many other things the new sensor improved on.
Okay that statement itself isn’t wrong, but the sensor on the 108MP camera is literally bigger. You can’t downplay the fact that more megapixels or not, it definitely is going to create more detail
No. We want both
Apple and google are indeed showing the importance of the software. And they are both doing a great job with the recent release of both their top flagship phones.
Haters gonna hate 🙂
1.Where is competition, it’s called progress.Otherwise there will be not Android or you might stuck with the shiny iPhone 1, 2 or 3 still until now.
2.I just love to see haters in their true nature, comparing flagship with budget phones because is driving them crazy how the hell budget phone it’s released with better spec’s than their luxury phone which they use for popularity of their own ego LMFAO.Do they realize there is something called progress ?!
Do you even realize you just compare huge range of difference on prize level???It is a rhetoric question you lifeless nerds LOL
Defending on old product calling it better just because you own it, it is not an argument LOL
Just move on and stop with hate.
Ofc it’s not necessary everything new to be great and better, but most of cases it’s just a fact.Accept it or just shut up LOL
3.There should be competition to move on faster and it’s great for us, the customers.So, back to your cave and other than Xiaomi forum/article or leave a honest opinion while seems yours is against Xiaomi releases.
4.Comparing DSLR with a phone it’s like comparing a camera with just a phone.Do you realize that fact?! LOL
I hope one day to be no difference, but until now it will be and it’s not comparable by 2 reasons:
a)Hardware
b)Price
Note:Some manufacturers prefers to selling you 2 products than 2 in 1 for higher profit.That’s why alway will have difference between cameras and phone until some company have the courage to realize it as a revolutionary product.It’s simple AF 🙂
It’d be the beast in low-light for real. But I doubt it’d be able to do that without hardware changes.
Right, your main camera should be your wide angle. People take pictures to remember the experience, if you want a close up, I’m sure you’d be fine zooming in. It should still be a great resolution still, obviously. But wide angle cameras just need more resolution to get the same details.
I’d rather have cameras with equal amount of details on a square cm of pixels, than whatever a lot of these budget phones are doing. Now, I’m basically using the main camera, and taking a panorama, if I really want to remember the experience. Because the wide angle camera is joke.
These 64/108mp sensors shoot in much lesser resolution by default! In fact, each pixel’s size is bigger than in finest IMX363 sensor which is used in latest Pixels. That’s because the image sensor is larger too.
In recent reviews it was shown that 64mp mode is able to capture more small details, especially if they’re away. So there’s some meaning there you don’t take into account.
What’s driving me insane is that they are putting the most pixels on the profile camera and not on the wide angle.
Computational photography is a scientific field. NASA can’t update Kepler Telescope every year to higher and higher MP, all it does is a lot of image processing. Google Pixel and iPhones are great examples that shine on how to get the best images from a low 12 MP camera.
Edit: Kepler Telescope has only 95MP.
But wouldn’t the same software work on something with more megapixels to create the same great results at higher resolution?
That’s just how these sensors were first described, 48 divides by 2×2 (4) into 12 and 108 divides by 3×3 (9) into 12 as well.
Pixel binning has other advantages such as better HDR algorithms. We have seen better and better contrast and color accuracy from midrangers ever since these 48MP and 64MP sensors became widespread.
Honestly pretty much every single pixel since the second has been out of time design wise and they always cut corners in specs when the phone is already expensive (not always the greatest screen, not the fastest storage, only 4gigs of RAM when competitors already has 6 or 8, shitty battery, no real fast charging etc)
These kind of stuff would’ve been acceptable when they were at nexus prices but at pixel price it’s definitely not okay
I think by default that “108MP camera” will gonna take 27MP shot with 4 pixels combined into 1 so that’ll at least help eliminate the noise in lowlights.
That guy is a goldmine for great in-depth articles. Most of them are in Russian only sadly.
True but isn’t the pixel size smaller? Correct me if I’m wrong
I think the problem is that if your profile camera is better quality than your wide, you’d want to take your picture with your profile picture. So it’s about relative quality.
Yes it would this article is bullshit.
Maybe, but ultra wide lenses bubble out, so they have to keep that lens bellow another piece of glass – and so the aperture is much smaller (less light) which means more noise and you end up not making use of the sensor altogether.
1.6 μm in 27 mp mode.
Those 48MP, 64MP, and this 108MP sensor has designed to consists the same 0.8μm pixel size.
This ultra pixel concept is really interesting. I like what Nokia done with 808 Pureview, that was so genius of them by using more pixel to eliminate the noise and increase details.
No you’re wrong lol, then the megapixel count wouldn’t just be a marketing thing, it’d literally be a lie. Look at the Vivo Nex 3 for example take a look at some of the pictures shot on that phone in 64mp mode in daylight, it’s insane detail. I have to disagree with everyone ranting about the megapixels. They make the sensor larger so you’ll get more light, if you want it to, then it’s a really good 12mp sensor. And on my mix 2s with a regular 12 there’s often so much daylight that my phone is shooting at as low as 1/4000 just to avoid underexposing. You’ll have no handshake unless you really try to at just 1/60 of a second, so in situations like that it would make a lot of sense to have a 64 or even 100mp sensor, it wouldn’t compromise on lighting in the sense that’d I’d get noise, it would just be a way sharper image. And it’s not like computational photography will be compromised on by having more megapixels, it’ll just take the phone a bit longer to process.
Better pics with draining batteries 🙄
I’d agree with you, if wasn’t for the fact that Xiaomi will start selling new models with a 108mp camera next year after they have tested the waters.
Tech pioneers usually have either really expensive tech or if they try to cut costs it’s more of a public beta than anything.
Better wait for future implementations where Xiaomi knows what it’s doing with it’s software. (even the Mi9 had a buggy camera at launch)
OP today: OMG I agree you should focus on image quality not MP size.
OP when camera tests show significant increase in image quality because the sensor size is larger **and** image computation is better: *crickets*
everyday you learn something new