Ok guys, let’s create debate about super amoled 60hz versus IPS 144hz refresh rate.
I am thinking about getting poco f2 pro or mi10T (non pro). mi10t is about 40$ more expensive in my country.
I do think amoled has a lot better color reproduction, but i’m more into battery life and i haven’t try any screen that has over 60hz, but i read a lot about how much better user expirience they give.
So Amoled screens have that ability to just turn off the backlight when producing the black color and on my mi9 i got a lot of battery life when i changed just background and some apps to black color (true black, not those “Dark” themes). So i wanna know how much worse battery life do i get when using IPS since i haven’t used one in a while. Also, mi10t has just 300mAh more than poco.
Considering that both phones got almost the same specs (10t got faster memory and i think just some small small adventage in camera which i dont think would be visible to a guy that barely uses camera) and i am more into using “built in” cameras that don’t use any aditional motors to move them – but that would not be the dealbreaker, it’s only question which screen type to buy.
Help me guys! 🙂
Umm I just got a mi 10t lite which has a 120hz screen …ik it has an LCD panel but I’ll tell you one thing, as long as the phone has a really good LCD …u won’t be able to feel like your missing out from an amoled because nowadays LCD screens are becoming better and better so I just think that 120hz is such a good feature …more than the difference between amoled and LCD..so ye
here are my thoughts:
AMOLED – in this case,lower refresh rate. True black color reproduction saves battery. Better looking colors. Expensive to change if broken.
IPS – higher refresh rate, worse battery life, cheap(er) to change when broken
Even xiaomi claimed that they installed best of the best IPS into the mi10t, so no doubt abot the quality of IPS
AMOLED, you don’t go back to IPS lcd once u go amo
if you are into battery, IPS es the best and nowadays IPS are awesome man on my 9s shines bright. Amoled drains more battery and yes it is suppose to be better technolgy but it isnt and also gets burned image retention easily. AOD just wastes battery period.
i get on my IPS redmi note 9s 6gb ram 13/15hs SOT. using camera often you get 6/8hs SOT. gaming i dont game on my phone for it brings heat ergo reducing battery lifespan having to change embebed batt/phone within 1 year.
if you have never experienced amoled at 90hz/120/144 or something like that, go for it, i did, but i went back to IPS because i need longer lifespan. IPS 144 does good, tho consumes battery you get like 8/9 SOT without using camera. high Hz drains lots of power, i stick to good old school 60fps IPS until display technology catches up.
anyway do what you want/need. life is short.
I can say that amoled screens look really good but there’s one thing that throws me off. I have my Mi Note 10 Lite for 2 months and yesterday I was watching twitch with the chat enabled for like 2 hours. Then I remarked a huge ghosting of the chat on my phone when the app was disabled. First I thought it’s a image retention then for 2 hours it was there, far less noticable but it’s still there so it’s a permanent burn in for just 2 hours of watching twitch with the chat enabled… Next time I get a phone I go with a IPS 144hz because they tend to degrade at a slower rate and also I think the fluidity is more important than better black.
UPDATE: Ghosting seems to disappear but it took much longer than I thought(2days opposed to 2-3hours other said) now there’s like only a 5 pixel wide ghosting and that part is probably a real burn in. I will keep you updated.
I happen to have an old IPS phone that is more comfortable to read than AMOLED because it has a lower native minimum brightness and less smearing at low brightness.
If you find your screen too bright you can also try some dimming apps which overlay a grey filter over your screen – not good for contrast but it does reduce the brightness.
90hz amoled 😉
Theres an app called pixel filter wich disables the pixels and lowers fhe brightnwss and saves battery
Yeah, Mi Note 10 Lite has a really low quality AMOLED. I’ve had it for 2 months and sold it for Poco X3. Ghosting and afterimages drove me nuts.
Background, I have a Mi 9T (non-pro) which has 60hz AMOLED and recently got a Poco X3 NFC 120hz IPS.
Initially when I switch from 60hz AMOLED (9T) to 120hz IPS (X3), I was taken aback a bit by the degradation in contrast switching from deep dark AMOLED to dimly-lit black of IPS.
After more than a week of using the IPS, going back to AMOLED feels like a relief. But when I play around with the UI and scrolling through contents, the difference between 60hz and 120hz irks me. The 60hz AMOLED, although beautiful, feels choppy and irritating to use.
My take from this is that, if you can, get a 90hz AMOLED device. But to choose between the two, I can separate into 2 categories:
If you enjoy smoother-than-iPhone UI, go for 120hz IPS. Xiaomi’s IPS blacks and brightness are decent enough to even be certified for HDR10.
If you enjoy HDR content every day, vibrant colors, and like dark UIs, go for AMOLED even if it’s 60hz. You won’t notice the choppiness/lag unless you use between the two back to back.
I vote for IPS 120hz because IPS pixels are too slow for 144hz and there’s a lot more ghosting (washy moving of pixels during scroll)
Depends on what you are planning to do .
Gaming ? So 144 hz definitely .
Photos and videos ? The AMOLED
You won’t notice the difference between the panels, unless you are using them in the dark or comparing them side-by-side.
For me, after using 120hz+ screen, 60hz devices just feel sluggish. So in choosing OLED 60hz or IPS 144hz, I will choose IPS everytime.
I usually gravitate towards amoled, but in the case of the F2 pro, it’s not as good as the higher end Samsungs. Yes, brightness is insane and colors are vibrant; but there’s a very noticeable black crush that just ruins it for me. In the case of lcds, there’s this ghosting effect on my X3 that can be very annoying, but usually you don’t notice it. No clue about mi10t.
I guess that if you truly want the best screen, you’re gonna have to go after high end sammys or apple.
F2 or mi10? I’d still choose the F2.
I went from a decent Amoled panel (Samsung s8) to the 120hz poco x3 nfc, and I’ll tell you this:
Blacks: You won’t notice the difference unless the room it’s dark, or you have the brightness at max, or you are super picky. I’m currently using the “Amoled black” reddit is fun theme and it’s really hard to tell the difference.
Refresh rate: Having a 120hz it’s cool, but that’s it, the only thing it does it makes scrolling and animations smoother but it drains battery quickly, i wouldn’t trade battery for useless “smoother scrolling”, I enabled 120hz and used it for like 3 days then the “wow” effect disappeared and turned it off because of the battery drain. Now on Gaming, having a 120hz is useful for games if ur chip can give you 120hz, the 732g won’t do it unless it’s a boring FPS or a platform game, even for a 865 I would find it useless because there are no good games that use them.
TLDR: High refresh rate is completely useless and a good IPS it’s exactly the same than a Amoled, unless ur room it’s dark.
I hadn’t found any games that run at least on stable 90fps.
Usually it’s 60 and in some games 30.
I think that ufc and cod are 144 hz supported .
Either way , if u are planning on gaming take the 144
MIUI 12 is not enough optimized, at least for my K30 5g, at least for Snapdragon 765g. Some animations are like 60fps or so. Sometimes. It doesn’t affect overall task speed/multitasking tho. But I’d still prefer things like this over any 60hz display.
As a matter of fact, there is an app called display brightness, but it’s not available on the google play store. It would basically let you lower the screen even more
As i mostly use IPS devices…you should go for AMOLED (i have seen videos on youtube) The touch in AMOLED is way better than IPS ones…
For me, only advantage of high refresh rate is in competitive gaming, anyways we don’t do much fast scrolling in phones and very few mobile games support high fps. I’ll go forAMOLED over LCD always
Nah, I love it. But I use a 144hz monitor daily on my PC as well.
I went from a Oneplus 3 with a 60hz Amoled to my current Mi 10T Pro with the 144hz LCD, and I’m much happier with the LCD. The black levels are still quite good, especially for an LCD, the colors are great and the 144hz refresh rate is amazingly smooth.
How do you feel about Poco X3 screen ?
I have another thread about Poco X3 and note 8 pro
It is puzzling to me that both same screen would have a different effect
Can’t believe no one has mentioned AMOLED for the ‘always on display’ I personally couldn’t ever go back to LCD as I’d miss AOD
AMOLED once you go black you don’t come back.
amoled is way better, if you use the screen of your phone, you’ll regret getting an lcd.
the poco doesn’t have ois tho, so the other one is better in the camera section
Same with the pro
Oled 60hz not even close
OLED don’t have a back light that’s the entire point.
AMOLED. Xiaomi’s IPS are really bad.
IPS looks grey. Only VA LCD is good and it needs to be a TV for local dimming.
I can tell in literally 1 second whether it is LCD or OLED
No phone has a good lcd, all of them are IPS. If they were VA panels with local dimming like a high end TV then maybe, but they arent, so they are all bad.
OLED 60hz will still have better response time than IPS 120hz because of how delayed IPS displays are in phones typically.
The benefit to a 120hz display on a phone is almost zero unless it is oled. No reason at all to use lcd.
The black level on IPS is terrible is so obvious. What you are saying isn’t true at all, OLED has way more pop and no IPS glow. Exact same is just a ridiculous comment unless you are literally blind. HDR especially is utter garbage on LCD, looks worse than SDR.
OLED has way better response time also.
I have zero burn in on my Mi 10 Lite 5G. I feel like some oled displays are faulty and get burn in faster.
Mi 10 Lite 5G doesn’t have this issue.
You have a mi 9, there’s no point in upgrading
If you ever experienced something bigger than 60hz you really can’t go back. Got an OnePlus 8 pro and 60hz feels like everything is stuttering. Amoled is pretty great but there’s the downside of symbols getting burned on the screen. If you don’t mind it that is. 120hz is a bigger game changer for me
How the hell can oled seem washed out? They literally have perfect contrast ratio.
Wrong. 144hz IPS is useless when the game runs at 60. OLED phones have vastly better response time anyway.
I imagine the response time of a 144fps game on IPS will only be around the same as an OLED at 60.
No reason to get LCD. OLED always has near perfect response time.
Mi 10t can’t even display black.
Also black crush is 100% panel specific and the Xiaomi panels are made by Samsung anyway. The phone also costs much less so…
You will always notice it wtf are you talking about? You’d have to be blind not to see the difference, IPS looks terrible. Very poor contrast and generally washed out looking picture with no pop.
144hz is totally redundant on a phone and a 60hz OLED will have better response time anyway given OLED. panels are instant.
Why
IPS cannot have burn in. That is image retention.
Colours on IPS are not more accurate at all, they are less accurate especially in dark colours and also they have poor brightness distribution and terrible contrast.
Been using a Mi 10 Lite for a few months. Zero burn in, 13 hours SOT max from a 4100mah battery.
IPS does not use less battery. IPS is terrible in every way.
I own the Redmi K20 Pro(Mi9T). My brother owns a 120Hz IPS LCD Realme X3. I have hands own experience with this comparison as my phone is 60Hz AMOLED.
My choice would be to stick with the 60Hz AMOLED cause MIUI as a whole is one big battery drainer. Saving that much battery is a definite up personally.
I love the fast refresh rate and stuff but every time I look at my device, it feels good quality. Those vibrant pinks and splashes of red on my screen can never be beaten by the 120Hz IPS LCD IMO.
I looked at the specs and both are almost similar like you said. Now, I know you are not a big camera guy but I would go for the Poco F2 Pro. Why am I saying this? The 2mp depth+5mp telephoto is something you will appreciate than the 2mp macro(which does nothing) in the long run.
Here is a comparison of both with macro shots.
Poco F2 Pro:-[https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/comments/haf3v2/the\_poco\_f2\_pro\_macro\_lens\_is\_actually\_great/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/comments/haf3v2/the_poco_f2_pro_macro_lens_is_actually_great/)
(Someone who has hands own experience with this phone)
5mp macro shot(couldn’t find any shot from Mi10T):-
[https://static.toiimg.com/photo/74725516.cms](https://static.toiimg.com/photo/74725516.cms)
While the battery capacity on the Poco F2 Pro might be lower when compared to the Mi10T’s 5000mah, my brother can pull an all-day on his 4500mah. Besides, the 60Hz AMOLED will definitely help you.
It has a single speaker but considering my phone, Xiaomi is good at the way they deal with their mono speakers IMO. (Mi10T has stereo)
Now some questions for you:
1) Considering that you can afford what seems to be like 500$+ devices, why Xiaomi? Considering brands like the Google Pixel and OnePlus, why Poco/MI?
2)What sort of user are you? Like a gamer? or a multi-tasker? or a simple plain user?
For me, it’s 60Hz AMOLED. Don’t care about high refresh rate, but I do love the color reproduction of AMOLED
Both have gyro-EIS according to GSMarena
Oh, sorry for misinformation then. Thanks for clarifying though!
yes but not ois
Depends entirely on subpixels. Pentile is awful 🙁
Well. I have mi note 10 lite and heavy watcher. To me it feels like you just gotten a faulty unit. I’d contact warranty
Wait, how does Mi10T(no OIS, gyro-EIS) be better than Poco F2 Pro(no OIS, gyro-EIS) when both have the same Gyro-EIS?
Wouldn’t the price for a 144hz IPS screen higher than a typical amoled?
Xiaomi Redmi K30 Ultra ftw with 120Hz amoled for cheap
IPS 144Hz def. Switched from a 60Hz AMOLED phone (Galaxy S7) to a 120Hz IPS phone (Poco X3 NFC) and I love the smoothness. It just feels fast. Much better than 60Hz AMOLED.
Poco X3 screen is SOOOOOOOOO good. The screen is fluid and the colours are very good and I’ve switched from the Galaxy S7 to the Poco X3 NFC and it was well worth it.
wait doesn’t mi 10t have that big gimbal thing?
edit: i gogled a bit and yes the mi 10t does have ois
U can probably tell the difference between the two but we’re talking about if LCD is usable … Ik u can see the difference but it’s not something unusable. I find 120hz smooth cuz my monitor for gaming has a similar frame rate so I never liked the 60hz on phones . Amoled is very good to have on a phone but for me frame rate < colour and brightness..I just said what screen you should get depending on what type of person you are so in this case where the phones cost the same ...it's just preference I guess
[https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=does+mi10t+have+OIS%3F](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=does+mi10t+have+OIS%3F)
Here it says it doesn’t. You might be referring the Mi10T Pro
To GSMarena specs page about this phone
[https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi\_mi\_10t\_5g-10473.php](https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_10t_5g-10473.php)
It’s the same for me but with 120 hz vs 60 hz, I can’t go back, no mattery if it is an AMOLED.
Im thinking the same and im gonna but poco f2 pro, i care about battery a lot and f2 pro got big battery, screen tech that doesnt use that much battery and 60hz, mi10t got 500mAh bigger battery but ips screen and 144hz so its gonna be battery like poco f2 pro or worse. I got honor 9 lite rn and i absolutely hate the ips screen, always wanted a phone with amoled but could never afford it until f2 pro released
Amoled
Thats the whole thing why oled is much better than ips lcd, no back light
Like I always say, go for higher than 60hz if you want to play games on your mobile or for aesthetics in UI (not a gamechanger for me). You won’t benefit from high fps other than these 2 functionalities (gaming and UI).
Not to mention that you will use a lot of battery power for rending more frames per second, so that’s a downside.
I have 240hz monitor and its great for gaming. However, the only other thing it affects is UI and its not a real gamechanger for me. I can live with 60hz screen for UI but not gaming.
Unfortunately other than gaming and UI animations and scrolling, high fps is pretty much useless. Example, movies and youtube only go 60fps at the highest settings. Reading, looking at pictures, doing work don’t rely on frame rates at all. Personally, I’d go for AMOLED 60hz over IPS 144hz.
AMOLED. Trust me.
Is see your point there , my phone also came with a 5000+ mah battery so that was another reason I took it but what ur saying makes sense
Amoled. I have 120hz and on a phone it is the most useless feature ever.
Not even close… Amoled wins.
MediaTek processor!!! no man.
Why not?
I’ve had mi note 10 lite for about 4 months and have using it heavily for a lot of time. I use facecast everyday for more than 2 hours and have not had any issues like that. You should get it checked in warranty.
The best part is that the chat is black so the pixels shouldn’t degrade because they are off xD
5000+ mah is great! I’m looking for this amount of battery in my next phone as well.
Does your phone have adaptive refresh rate (not sure the name) technology? The one that changes your refresh rate automatically. Not sure how it works but if it changes refresh rate on the requirement(e.g. while scrolling only), it would save a lot of battery life from what I hear.
Yeah I checked this before hand cuz if it’s not adaptive then ur battery goes lower like 1.3x faster which is bad but I got a Mi 10T Lite and it has an adaptive frame rate thing (not sure what it’s called either) so watching videos and stuff it lowers it accordingly..has a 5200mah battery and 64 mp quad camera at the back ..looks really nice I recommend the grey colour and I nearly forgot but it has 5g which is insane especially when the phone costs 200£ …it’s unbelievable
Those options are both garbage.
seriously?
then buy the k30 pro
btw.
Xiaomi Note 8 Pro G90T is beating that stupid exynos in Samsung S20
The dimensity 1000 will run around exynos all day.
Clearly IPS. Also good 60hz IPS >60hz AMOLED. Also good 60hz OLED > anything else.
Me too. After going back to IPS LCD , I barely noticed a difference after a few days. A good screen is a good screen.. but people here love the OLED circle-jerk
Yes, you can. I’ve owned 2 AMOLED phones and 3 IPS LCD phones… A good, well calibrated screen is still pleasent, no matter the technology.
If you use an LCD phone for a few days, you forget all about the differences.
Did you use your AMOLED phone in saturated mode? As I found when my X3 and Mi 9 Lite were both in standard mode, with a little tweaking they were pretty close. I have no issues with the X3 screen.
HOWEVER, if you are used to the Saturated mode, the difference between the panels is huge.
AMOLED
Amoled because there’s not really much content that use the 144hz display, in this case, i appreciate more quality on everything than just higher hz on some things
Why not Mi 10 lite 5g?
Amoled. I got 90Hz in my phone and still mostly use 60Hz to conserve lifetime of the battery.
Also, hard to answer because you don’t say what you need a new phone for. I mostly watch movies on mine during the commute, so obviously amoled is better.
The 144Hz LCD screen of Xiaomi is the best of the market it has a better color fidelity : E Delta 0.6.
The thing is that they put the best LCD instead of a standard AMOLED so it decreases the price but greater experience. Also this LCD has almost the same brightness than the Mi 9T AMOLED 450nits but not the same contrast as it is for AMOLED. You will feel for sure better blacks and whites on AMOLED screens but this LCD is very nice on the colors and smoothness and the price is so good
dunno man, my mi 10 is an easy 2 doer. And believe me…at least 90 hz moves the expierence up another level. You can do only so much with optimisation…more hz is where its at
here you go, easy solution…
Ips
still a bandwagon of hating mediatek? mediatek is like amd ryzen
they suck in old days (fx series/helio) but came back strong (ryzen/dimensity)
i have k30 ultra they dont even heat at all like most of reviews said.
genshin/cod/pubgm/ml/gc whole day playing i only charge once a day
Oh man. Best of both worlds right there!
I used both in auto because in some reviews, they say that the auto produces the closest to DCI-P3 color accuracy.
You’re right. Standard should be covering SRGB color space, AMOLED and IPS does look really close to one another. But in Saturated mode, AMOLED blows IPS all the way.
Am looking forward for MicroLED or Quantum Dots displays to push LCD to the next level!
I’m currently on a Redmi Note 9S which is a 230 euro phone with an IPS panel, my friend has a Samsung Galaxy A80 with an AMOLED display, best of the best since it’s from Samsung, and both me and him agreed that there is almost no difference in everyday use except for when you use your phone in the night and the blacks aren’t truly black on IPS, but they’re still pretty damn close.
OLED does indeed have more pop, but that is due to it being not as colour accurate. IPS panels are usually more colour accurate. That’s why professionals in the colour grading industry opt for IPS panels.
HDR, there’s not much content that you can really use it with, especially on your phone.
While yes, OLED does indeed have faster response times, it is only at most about a millisecond, which most users will not notice.
So personally, I’d go with IPS since it is usually cheaper to get a screen replacement, and since OP is looking at a high refresh rate panel, it’d be far more pleasant to use too.
Btw read is always read, no matter if it happend or not, you type it or write it the same just pronounce differently
Red is color, so, for word read it’s never red but read read read and present simple or something like that is pronounced read but any type of past is pronounced red, atleast that’s how I know
And for the screen, if you aren’t a gamer 80% of time amoled if not ips
There’s barely any development for it, lots of phones with MediaTek don’t have bands needed in EU or USA, it’s definitely nowhere near being the AMD Ryzen of mobile chips.
How wrong can someone be in one comment
IPS blacks are not even remotely black. They are grey. They look terrible. Close is a 5000:1 contrast ratio like a VA TV, not a washed out IPS 1000:1.
The only reason the OLED panel is less colour accurate is because it is set to saturated mode. Change it to the RGB mode and it will be more accurate.
Professionals don’t use IPS unless they don’t have enough money for OLED. No idea why you commented this as it is quite obvious given the influx of high end OLED tablets and displays aimed at the pro market. The only reason they weren’t using OLED before is the option didn’t exist.
HDR aka loads of Netflix and YouTube. You can’t turn it off either, so if the content is hdr and your display is crap yet HDR10 enabled you are screwed.
>While yes, OLED does indeed have faster response times, it is only at most about a millisecond, which most users will not notice.
This is probably the most egregiously ridiculous part of your comment. OLED phones have a typical response time of 2-5ms, aka within a frame. IPS are usually 30-60ms, so 2-4 frames delayed. That is a noticeable lag and perceivable by anyone. Why you say 1ms difference I have no clue.
And on the last one, how about stop dropping your phone.
[The Xiaomi Mi 10T Pro is proof that a great LCD is better than a good AMOLED](https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-mi-10t-pro-great-lcd-better-than-good-amoled-display)
90hz.
so basically its for asian region only? well too bad lol. no wonder i dont see any dimensity release in EU and Western regions
Right, ok,
As I said, in real world usage, me and my friend couldn’t notice a difference. You’re bringing up numbers, number aren’t everything my friend.
You were the one that claimed the colours pop more, which usually means you’re in saturated mode, so I said that IPS are more colour accurate compared to it. I’m technically not wrong.
From about 20 seconds worth of Google searching, most professionals use IPS. This is for their wide coverage of different colour spaces and pretty decent viewing angles. Also, you consider the iPad Pro a device targeted for actual professionals? It’s just a marketing gimmick, designed to fool people into thinking it’s better than it really is.
I watch my fair share of YouTube, and I haven’t encountered a HDR video in about 4 months.
You are semi-correct on that one I will admit, OLEDs do have vastly superior response times in many cases, but even IPS TVs are around 15ms without using their response time reduction modes, so I doubt something you physically interact with and want to be speedy has a response time of double that or even more as you stated.
Last one, I don’t drop my phone, don’t you worry. But some people do, and having assurance that if you drop it and it won’t cost a fortune to fix it is nice. Hell, everyone is complaining about the new iPhones having unchangeable parts. So obviously repairability is a big factor.
Numbers are everything when it comes to contrast ratio wtf are you talking about?
OLED pops more because it is brighter, has perfect contrast and local dimming and often higher colour volume. You are wrong. Also IPS can never be that colour accurate in deep shades because it can’t even display black. Imagine viewing a night sky on an IPS panel. Gonna be so wrong.
Nobody said shit about the ipad Pro. I am referring to professional monitors like Sony’s £30000 OLED BVM. That is a professional monitor. It is not IPS.
Most professionals use IPS because OLED is higher end and they don’t have enough money for it as I literally just told you. Maybe spend more than 20 seconds on Google for research before commenting?
IPS tvs are not IPS phone displays. Go look at notebookcheck check for IPS phone display response time and then compare it to an OLED phone. Not hard. Why even argue this when you don’t even know?
Repairablity has nothing to do with component price. More expensive, higher end components cost more, no shit.
Every IPS display ever made does so no.
> let you lower the brightness further
you can download screen filter app and get as low as you want:)
Yup. Came from mi 5s plus to mi 9T. The colors are much better on mi 9T, but at night i had to install those “lower brightness” app thingy (adding black layers of color to make it darker) because it doesn’t go dark enough
that would be best option if its not 100 euros diff from mi 10t and 150 from f2 pro in my country and that is way too much for me:P
I’m near North America and my Mediately powered phone(Redmi Note 8 Pro) works fine with the bands.
Refresh rates greater than 60hz are a gimmick for now.
I say go for the Amoled. Difference is not that noticeable.
There is no such thing as a good LCD. They are so inaccurate. They can’t show millions of dark colours at all, since there is a glow over them. They can’t show black. They change colours at angles.
I would take OLED every day.
Performance is not the whole argument with MediaTek. Unlocking bootloader is a massive risk of getting stuck in edl mode. No custom rom no root just a bloated Chinese rom with ads.
true, but the only reason of buying new one is cause i want to give mi9 to my sister.
I agree with you, I was just quoting XDA… I’m not buying any other Xiaomi device until we get +90Hz OLED for less than $700, but still… There are so many pros and cons that I didn’t know about until I read that article, LCD doesn’t look as bad as I initially thought.
For example, I tend to drop my phones quite frequently, an AMOLED panel is simply more fragile because it’s so thin, I used to spend +$250 every year just replacing my Samsung phone screen, it was beautiful, but delicate.
My current Xioami LCD screen has resisted some pretty rough hits through many years. The best part is, even if I break it, I would only have to replace the top layer (the glass) which costs literally $20..!
well atm samsung has a lot of cheap phones that got amoled so they are not only built in flagships only. But yea, poco is literally cheaper flagship 🙂
You can oc K20 screen to 90hz, tho it’s only on Android 9. Also I own a 144hz screen on pc and I agree that going back to 60hz is impossible but on phone I disagree. Ofc smoothness is on another level with 120hz but oled contrast and perfect blacks have way more benefits for a mobile user. Battery saving is up to 20-30% with dark/oled black themes, saves your eyes at night and it’s a pleasure to watch a movie or series / videos in it. Overall if the mobile doesn’t lag then 60 oled is fine. Hell, I’m using reddit app with oled black theme writing this and I couldn’t go back to ips no matter how good the screen is, oled is king as the. Best panel money can buy, even on tvs. Moving from oled is always a downgrade in general no matter what.
Since OP has not tried 120hz yet, I guess amoled is the way to go for him. Because he won’t feel like missing out on something.
i apreciate your answer 🙂 pretty detailed.
1. Well in my country f2 pro cost 370euros which is about 430$ (mi10t is 450-460$). Also, there is none official dealership of OnePlus and Pixel either and i can find those, but for a lot more money which would be the exact same or even would exceed the price of s20 ultra for example
2. Well im just like a casual user lets say, but a heavy casual user. I barely game (only a bit of clash of clans and that’s it). I use it mostly for job and i have a lot of emails, google disc, maps etc. Also im a fan of black UI so thats a +1 for amoled. Even with tru black background at both lock and home screen and all black themes at yt, wa, insta, viber i barely make it for a whole day (usually ends at 15-20% of bettery at the end of the day).
Also i could consider brands like samsung or apple, but they are a lot more expensive if i want some higher end version of samsung since the most important thing for me is the cpu. I used to be apple fanboy and after i moved from 5s to huawei p9 lite i ended the apple spree and prolly will never return to apple. I still i think that apple phones are most balanced onces and i never ever had a single software bug with apple, but their prices are literally funny and that is the only dealbreaker for me.
edit: yea i’m not crazy abot the camera, but i wouldnt mind if i get good camera with the phone:)
> what you like. G
yea mate that’s true, but i just wanted to hear other ppl opinion since the higher refresh rate screens are still a new thing and i wanted to know are they worth it:)
and why is that?:)
reccomend me an option that isn’t garbage in your opinion
Because it’s about 70$ cheaper than f2 pro and with the f2 pro i get top end cpu which is most important for me and mi 10 (non lite) is \~120$ more expensive than the f2 pro and i don’t think it’s worth it. But yea, mi10 would be the best option with no doubt if it’s a bit cheaper:P
yea i missed to state that 😛 my bad…
I am like casual user i guess? i use it heavily, but let’s say for basic things. Google, email, wa/insta/viber, pdf view, lot’s of data transfering threw the google disk etc.
But before you say that i maybe don’t need higher end phones for that, i must say that i apreciate the speed of phone since most of the time i am in a hurry and i need to do something asap 🙂
edit:
> I got 90Hz in my phone and still mostly use 60Hz to conserve lifetime of the battery.
ty for the answer, that is the information i was looking for. It all looks perfect on paper, but untill i hear the user expirience – i don’t belive it.
OH, i guess i learned something wrong 😀 ty for correcting me! i appreciate that:)
90 hz amoled a lot more expensive 🙁 but yea, that would be the best option with no doubt
Oh it is??
I thought tech co’s rushed to 120hz prematurely
> a HEADPHONE JACK
Headphone jack is literally past mate!:) Just try the soundpeats true free+ true wireless earphones and belive me, you won’t ever consider moving back to wire. Also, they are 20$ and battery life with the case is \~25 hours which is enought for a week (at liest in my case).
yea i saw that on some youtube review and that is rly sad. I could say that is a dealbreaker for me..
90 hz amoled on mi10 would be perfect for me, but it’s 130$ more expensive than the f2 pro which isn’t worth it in my opinion… 😛 but yea, 90-120 Hz amoled would be the best option for me with no doubt.
>nce, IPS looks terrible. Very po
what about the battery life? 🙂
hmmm, i think you are wrong. Amoled actually gives you way better battery life since it turns of the backlight when reproducing the black color
i mean xiaomi has mi10 which has 90hz amoled, but it’s 130$ expensiver than the poco f2 pro and i don’t think it’s worth it.
if it only is avalible in my country 😀 btw i thought it’s only for Chinese market
The Amoled should atleast have 90hz if it’s in the upper mid range category.
totally agree with you about the new phones. Poco f2 is almost 6 months old
you can still import it from China
one thing to take into account is that it doesn’t have Band 20 and some others that are used heavilly in EU
I mean, a detailed ans is what you want right?
I can relate to you on the other brands. I could not find a OnePlus 7 when I was looking for one. What you said about Apple is 100% true. It is the only brand “that just works IMO” but the price is just ridiculous.(Plus Apple is stubborn on their battery capacity in the 12).
Another important question that I forgot to ask really is which was your last phone. I consider my self petty mid casual user and I haven’t charged since yesterday. I woke up at 1 pm(I am an Insomniac) and went for an all nighter(Till like 3am). Started with 99% and ended up with 39% battery.
I will give you some tips for the next phone(whichever it maybe)
– If you don’t mind it, use battery saver almost everytime.(Unless you find yourself in a multi task scenario. MIUI is rough in handling with background tasks)
– Clear you RAM when you can. For me, there is a shortcut on my homescreen which indicates when to clear on my POCO Launcher. Helps a lot!
– Use lower watt chargers when charging overnight or when you find yourself in not a “I want to charge this fast real quick”(Fast charging heats up the phones real fast)
– I would usually say don’t let the battery drop below 25% and charge above 80% but considering you must be a “I could not bother much with that”, just don’t let the battery drain and unplug as fast as you can once it charges completely
– When you are done with work and stuff, please close all background tasks.
That’s about it.
BTW, I forgot to mention, MIUI has this second space feature and floating windows. I think a person like you should find that useful.
EDIT:- I am sorry I asked for the previous phone. That was pure arrogance from my part. Yours was a Mi9, which had 3300mah(correct me if I am wrong).
I think you can pull a 1.5-2 days with either of your choice. If you can end up with 20% or less in 3300mah, you can’t go wrong with both of these.
The battery capacity for the Mi10T(5000mah) will be just about 4700mah if you were to use 120Hz constantly. Besides, as of right now, not much games can really take advantage of the powerful SoC(My SD855 has gone upto 47-49 degree Celsius on ARK Survival but that’s it. CoC should be a breeze IMO).
About the 120Hz screen, there is not much you can benefit from CoC with 120Hz. The best it would do is make smoother scrolling. I wouldn’t invest battery on just that. I have seen a lot of people down below and one other user from another thread talking about ghosting issue(Not this particular phone. Seems like it happens to the unlucky ones).
I would go with the AmoLED personally cause of the amazing content consumption Xiaomi has. MIUI has this video toolbox that can apply a certain filter on selected apps. It can bring out more colour than you could ever wish for.
So at the end of the day, I would go with the POCO F2 Pro
This a hundred times. So many act like amoled displays are inferior left & right yet it’s almost never the situation.
its not about the band or some quality. You don’t find any development in MediaTek or Exynos processor. You cant even get a GCAM for this. Dont dare to search for twrp or magisk or other rom for this. Now you can say, you don’t need this. That’s fine. But the truth is when **life gives you lemons**, **you** should make lemonade.
I did some edits to the post. Some corrections
ofcource. As you can see, there is plenty of answers like “amoled” ; “lcd” and even there’s one “both of your options are crap” without explaining their thoughts. Ofc i rly mean it when i say that i apreaciate detailed answer 🙂
Right after huawei p9 lite i went to mi9 which is amazing and the only reason i need a new phone now is because my father needs to buy a new phone and i wanted to give him mi9 and upgrade to another xiaomi since i am rly amazed by them.
About those tips, i can say that i knew abot most of them and i rly use those.
I am using batter saver most of the time and i dont mind it since i got sd855, but on my old p9lite that was disaster since perfromance drop was huge. I do clear ram maybe even too much and i do it like every time before locking the phone (except after calls). I tried changing my background and lockscreen photo to true black and i got greaaat battery saving just cause of that + better lifespan of the amoled screen. Give it a try if you didn’t already.
About that floating window i was really amazed when i saw it on miui tips after update, but i rly havent used it single time. I guess when i am in a hurry, i just dont think of it and mi9 rly is fast and opens everything within a seccond so i rly didnt have opportunity to get used to it. But google maps at liest are using it automatically and it’s epic.
And btw idk do you have automatic call recording option on poco, but i found out that they deleted it after mi9 or mi9t and i rly don’t know why cause that is for sure #1 app that xiaomi made. Like literally it records automatically and you can later listen to it in HQ and just can’t miss anything from the call. I couldnt find that good for my sister’s galaxy a50… similar yes, but usually poor quality of recording etc… so that is biggest dissapointment in xiaomi and idk why they did that…
I think you should go for 144 hz and lcd display as more refresh rate is a real fun unlike amoled which mostly after using for a week or 2 you will forget is the differences between both and you will start accepting 144 hz and refresh rates is really a nice thing to have.
Agree, and when watching a video on dark room, it’s more enjoyable to watch it on LCD panel than OLED (if the LCD brightness can go to equally low as the AMOLED ones), probably due to black crush or something about that, which make when you put the OLED screen on the lowest brightness, the film part where it supposedly be dark grey or dark blue, end up being just a dead pixel(the individual pixel went off) and looks just not right
Since I tried 120hz I’ll never go back to 60hz. so IPS 144hz for me.
I think it’s also important to differentiate between a good IPS high refresh rate display and a bad one.
I have both the Realme 6 Pro which has a 90hz display and a Poco X3 with a 120hz display.
It is clear that although the Poco x3 has a faster refresh rate, the quality is so poor that the Realme is much much better. The Realme 6 pro feels better scrolling, doesnt stutter and color reproduction is much better.
I recently switched to Pixel 5 from Poco F1. The difference in contrast and user experience is night and day. Always on Display, dark mode, the media quality on both has a stark difference. Both are FHD+ but the difference is apparent
Really? Did they remove that? I was someone who was super proud of the dialer. Like, you could take notes and record it in HQ. Damn. (It’s not really automatic cause you have to press the button but it still works for me)
I searched google for this in POCO F2 Pro and it seems like you get the feature if you use the Global variant. I use the Redmi K20 Pro(Mi9T) and it has this.
About the floating window, I can agree. I don’t come across using it that much unless when I am doing some studying. (I will have the reference in floating window and notes as the main app)
P.S:- I am glad to know you use those tips. It just tells me that you will make a smart decision based on your preference. Also, pls let me know which phone you got and I would appreciate your opinion of the phone. I can use it to help others too 🙂
Amoled 60hz will give you a much better battery life. IPS on even 720p @ 60hz sucks out way more due to poor efficiency, and you can imagine how bad IPS 1080p @ 144hz would be.
Amoled 60hz feels way more premium as well.
I’m a huge fan of high refresh rate and I can notice difference between even 120hz and 144hz, but even then, I’d pick a 60hz Amoled over 144hz IPS any day. Not to mention other various pros of Amoled such as always on, better touch sensitivity, more responsiveness in general.
I purchused the app that lets you further lower the brightness. Works like a charm
I think 90hz amoled is sweet spot for me
Amoled, battery life is much more important to me than the smoothness of 90hz, 120hz and 144 hz, I’ve seen them in person, it is fast and cool, but I am good with my Mi 9T’s 60 hz Amoled screen.
60 Hz amoled. I got Poco f2 pro (redmi k30 pro) and with DC dimming I can’t be happier.
On PC Hz is everything,. I cannot even browse in 60 hz.
But on phone I compared it to S20, S20+ samsung and would miss amoled way more than 120 Hz.
Amoled 60Hz
Most mobile games are still capped on 60fps.
Even if they aren’t 60fps capped, you will still need a flagship chip to maintain a stable 90fps+.
There is a strong amoled bias here but it’s not without reason, in many ways at least. Amoled will get you the truest black but will most likely have the most black crush as well, meaning you’ll see that true black in lots of places where a darker gray should be rendered instead. Depending on the gravity of the crush and how sensible you are to it, the ips might be better. If I’d be faced with s9 plus levels of black crush i would probably get an ips, that was just horrible looking to me. Do note that some ips panels also exhibit a lot of black crush but it’s typically the bottom of the barrel ones.
A good ips will have decently accurate colors and good white balance out of the box, whereas an amoled rarely has good white balance and the colors oversaturated more often than not, and if you wanna make the amoled more accurate by switching to the color accurate preset it’s gonna make the color temperature overly warm.
Legibility in direct light is a place where the amoled will crush the ips no doubt, response time(most likely) as well.
If you have a bit of time on your hands and enough spare money, what I would do (and normally do) is order both at the same time and take some time to compare and then just return which one you like less.
144hz gives an incredible feeling of smoothness but with the 865 in both of the devuces you will have no trouble with fluidity and amoled screens are so much better than IPS. I would choose amoled. Have you considered the Mi10? I have it and I think its the best mix of refresh rate/battery life and screen quality
I had amoled before and yes the colors are nice but the smoothness of 120hz in my poco x3 nfc is way better then just colours in my opinion refresh rate over colours also amoled suffers from burn in
yeah but people uses in amoled AOD, high hz rate, and other features which drain, comparing overall battery life against lcd, lcd keeps winning in time.
I’ll have to disagree. I am not a mobile gamer but the couple of games I’ve played on it felt amazing at 144hz. Mainly racing games but also the game Bombsquad. Of course the game does have to support 144hz, some older games are locked to 60fps.
What exactly is your point here? And also there are good Gcam ports for my phone so that’s not a point either.
As if the dynamic range and colour accuracy of a camera photo is enough to determine that.
No I’m not LOL. The Galaxy Note Delta E value on the camera is totally off especially in extremely low light and high dynamic range photos which are never going to be rendered correctly on a phone camera..
You’re the one making excuses with bs evidence. If I could see that phone in person, black would not be fully black, it would be grey looking. Simple. Same goes for every IPS display ever. So unless you are acting like you have the unicorn and only IPS display in the history of phones to not have this stop talking bs. Also the higher the back-light is set, the less black black will be. So unless you’re taking that picture on full brightness then that’s not even representative
I would say you want something with a better processor (like the Snapdragon 865/865+) than a high refresh rate screen. And you don’t need a beautiful screen for “productivity” apps. A good IPS panel will look just a nice for those applications. (Although I must admit that the contrast of dark colors is an eyecandy in amoled displays)
If I was you I would pay more attention to max brightness of the screen depending on where you live. Trying to see something in daylight gets annoying really fast.
Here’s a source where I compared some numbers for the OnePlus 7 Pro: https://www.androidauthority.com/oneplus-7-pro-battery-life-90hz-display-985616/
I made an [excel graph out of it.](https://i.imgur.com/fvhle3Y.png) And you will see that it doesn’t make much sense because a QHD90Hz will run longer than FHD90Hz.
The projections end at 144 Hz. For the QHD screen you don’t lose much battery runtime when switching from 60 Hz to 90Hz (the slope is lower; (552min/605min -> 9% difference).
But for the FHD screen the slope is very steep and switching from 60Hz to 90Hz will eat 28% of your battery. (498min/692min -> 28% difference).
It’s just one test on a single phone though (very inconclusive). I can only say it could have a huge impact or very little. It will depend on the software implementation. Go for more pixels (QHD) though than more Hz.
Man, there’s no point trying to argue with that IPS is even considered usable on this subreddit.
I also switched from OLED (Mi 9 Lite) to IPS (X3 NFC) and when the displays are calibrated to be colour accurate, they both look great. A regular person would never complain and might not even notice the difference.
But you try to say that here or on /r/Android and you’ll get impaled and roasted.
mi10 would be the best option with no doubt if it wasn’t 150$ expensiver than poco f2 (10t is ~50$ expensiver which is acseptable) 😛
Lmao
i am rly not sure that they removed it cause i haven’t seen it and i rly hope that they didn’t. I read a few days ago from some guy who listed that as a disadventage of the new poco.
> It’s not really automatic cause you have to press the button but it still works for me
You can set it to automatic which is pretty good cause when you are in a hurry you maybe aren’t concentrated and you might not be able to remember details from the call and also forget to press record.
Settings is located on the phone app, when you go into tiping the number that you want to call, on left from “call” button there are three straight lines -> call recording -> Record calls automatically
Well i am not in a hurry for a phone so i’ll go into Xiaomi official store to try both mi10t and poco f2. I want to see those 144hz even though we can only see thouse high fps while scrolling and i have no doubt that that is epic, but is it worth it since it’s draining battery faster and i don’t game that much. I still love adventage of amoled screen battery saving (i don’t rly care about those color accuracy, responsivnes etc. i care only about better battery life) , so i belive i will go with the poco f2.
It’s actually very good. Vibrant colours and deep blacks. Battery is awesome. 2 days heavy use easy.
Sorry I got to you a bit late.
But thank you so much for giving that little tip about the automatic call recording. I suck with remembering stuff from phone calls and this could really help me.
Good luck with buying the phone. I hope it will suits you very well. I figured you will have an emphasis on the battery. So I think your choice is very fitting for that. I am glad that I was able to help you out. Hope you will be happy with it 🙂
thank you very much ! it was nice convo with you:) cheers!
You are welcome! I hope I can help you more in the future 🙂
We’re seeking almost the same specs here.